MAY 4, 2017 - WILL THE WAVE 6 BSB MRIP HARVEST ESTIMATES CAUSE MORE HEARTACHE FOR THE FOR-HIRE FLEET & FISHERMEN IN 2017 - RIGHT NOW MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS TO RECREATIONAL BSB REGS IN 2017

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MAY 4, 2017 - WILL THE WAVE 6 BSB MRIP HARVEST ESTIMATES CAUSE MORE HEARTACHE FOR THE FOR-HIRE FLEET & FISHERMEN IN 2017 - RIGHT NOW MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS TO RECREATIONAL BSB REGS IN 2017

Postby EC NEWELLMAN » Thu May 04, 2017 5:26 pm

I have not posted much due to time constraints at this time of the year...and I should add combined with some extremely dismal fishing lately, but I just wanted to give everyone a heads up as far as it concerns BLACK SEA BASS and the potential for greater reductions in what the recreational fishing sector is allowed to possess in 2017.

First one has to read through this document:

ASMFC: Summer Flounder, Scup, and Black Sea Bass Management Board and Mid‐Atlantic Fishery Management Council May 10, 2017; 1:00 – 5:45 p.m.


Your attention should be heightened upon reading:

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Could this be a problem?

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New York - New York, and Montauk too causing all these problems with unrealistic catch estimates?

From page 6, to wit:

NY now has two motivated, personable individuals sampling in Montauk. Their efforts have resulted in what appears to be substantially more intercepts.

At the same time PRR intercept weights have increased by an order of magnitude.

Is this due to greater diligence in recording the number of interviews not granted/missed or due to CHTS results or both?

How does each factor contribute to the whole?


Something amiss with MRIP? Again we repeat how questionable any information arising from harvest estimates from MRIP are (Note; from page 4; 4.28.2017 - Analysis on black sea bass recreational data tasks):

Based on the data and considering 2016 management measures, it seems the 10 fish bag limit in wave 6 for NY was important, as multiple intercepts with landings of 8 fish or more per angler are present in the data.

The intercept weights (or catch expansion factors) for some of these intercepts are extremely high, over 4,000. It is not clear how intercept weights are calculated by MRIP, but a few intercepts can have a disproportionately large influence on a harvest estimate.

As an example, one intercept of a single angler with 10 landed black sea bass is “weighted” by 5,588.3, so the expanded harvest of that intercept is 55,883 A+B1 black sea bass (10 x 5,588.3).

A single intercept (out of 56 intercepts with black sea bass landings) is responsible for 15% of the landings in NY’s Wave 6.


Seems so......but haven't we said that time and again over the years right here about MRIP operating like a Powerball based - PIck 6?


Oh, there seems to also be something nifty issues with SUMMER FLOUNDER and a white paper now in the public realm...for your reading amusement. The initial synopsis was found here:

Request for Proposals: Evaluation of F-Based Management for the Recreational Summer Flounder Fishery


Read down a few paragraphs in order to get the gist of the idea behind a An F-based recreational management approach. What does that mean?

The Council wishes to explore the feasibility of tying some or all of the criteria for recreational adjustments to the summer flounder fishing mortality rate.

This has the potential to increase stability in the fishery and the regulations, and mitigate some of the negative consequences associated with annual fine-scale adjustments to measures based on uncertain MRIP estimate.

The goal of this management change would be to meet the requirements of the MSA while minimizing fishery instability caused by frequent changes in management measures driven by uncertain estimates and flawed assumptions.


A step in the right direction....for some at least....but the implications of a shorter season (in open days) and more constrained possession limit in order to achieve this management approach?

Would some states benefit while others, notably to the north and east of New York scream "holy hell" in moving towards a recreational based system that has worked in most part for striped bass?

Getting back to our biscuits and a fishery 2.4x above target, where will it end up at the conclusion of the May 10th meeting in Alexandria, Virginia?

There is something else here which will give some amount of "agita" in the room:

What amount of blowback, and who will be complaining at the regulatory table on the opening of the WAVE 1 - BSB fishery?

Thankfully an enlightened Council member has laid out a framework for a Wave 1 BSB opening that will:

- Capping the total number of vessels allowed to participate

- Establishing a total number of trips allowed by each participating vessel

With the caveat of a no minimum size and no discard policy, essentially you land ALL BSB brought onto the vessel and STOP when your possession limit is reached (there is not ORL or OLR designation).

The number of vessel/trip combinations would be set in order to achieve the desired catch allocation and minimize any potential overages.


I also should remind those who will participate in this fishery (if allowed to) that:

In addition to the EFP (Exempted Fishing Permit), the applicant(s) may also need to obtain state specific exemption/scientific collection permits in order for vessels participating in the program to land black sea bass out of season in the state they are returning to and offloading passengers.

All federally permitted for-hire vessels participating in the program will be required to submit electronic VTRs (eVTR) documenting all fishing activity and catches.


Will Wave 1 - BSB be open in 2018 for the for-hire sector?

As this fish-news is digested, more will be discussed prior to and from the upcoming meeting....

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Re: MAY 4, 2017 - WILL THE WAVE 6 BSB MRIP HARVEST ESTIMATES CAUSE MORE HEARTACHE FOR THE FOR-HIRE FLEET & FISHERMEN IN 2017 - RIGHT NOW MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS TO RECREATIONAL BSB REGS IN 2017

Postby whitechin » Fri May 05, 2017 6:07 pm

Weather was so good in that wave so I am sure those numbers are accurate. November and December were like windless lakes.
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