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NOV 10, 2017 - SHORE CAUGHT HADDOCK in the GOMaine? IS THIS ANOTHER ONE FOR THE 'MRIP FOLLIES' FILES?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:17 pm
by EC NEWELLMAN
On a more serious note, has anyone seen the GOMaine - Recreational Catch 2016; with 2016 & 2017 estimates on Cod and Haddock document? (it is online and can be downloaded as a .pdf)

Of course there are the consistent questionable private vessels estimates that continue to show that that they are private boats are much more successful fishermen than either long time and noted party or charter boat operators. Well here is one that even I did a double take on...

Shore caught HADDOCK in 2016? It begs one to wonder if the word gets out and the shore caught haddock numbers for 2017.......

I had to ask some fishermen in New England, and I will report back if I do hear from one of these people about a hot spot to catch these fish. But the point here is if this indeed some MRIP survey person(s) just happened to find somewhere that this not only happens, but angler success (CPA- Trip) is between 13 and 14 beach/dock/pier caught haddock.

I did get one call from a very well noted operator from New England who passed along that this has to be some mistake. "Possible stripers, but haddock...not from what I have seen in all my years?"

As we have come to learn, M-RIP-off continues to shock us with what anglers catch especially from shore....though they say these are "estimates." Sure, right up until the time they are used as the hard data in setting the following years recreational regs.

If anyone does know where haddock can successfully be caught from somewhere on terra firma, I repeat please let us know....otherwise this one will be another one to place in the MRIP FOLLIES files....

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Re: NOV 10, 2017 - SHORE CAUGHT HADDOCK in the GOMaine? IS THIS ANOTHER ONE FOR THE 'MRIP FOLLIES' FILES?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:31 pm
by EC NEWELLMAN
The comments made by Captain Tim Tower, fv BUNNY CLARK:

I spent a fair amount of time looking over the materials that were presented to me from the New England Fishery Management Council's staff on the 2017 catch of cod and haddock. This to get ready for the Recreational Advisory Panel meeting on Tuesday.

- We caught more cod, generally this season. However, the party/charter sector caught less.

- Private vessels accounted for the most catch of cod.

This, of course, is bad statistics gathering in NOAA's Marine Recreational Information Program, or MRIP, system.

Generally, they do shore interviews with private boats, ask what they catch/caught (without any proof) and then extrapolate this information to other vessels they believe are also fishing that day.

This has been the source of much frustration to me and others like me who have a stake in the fishery and are also involved in the fishery management scene. And to have to accept that data to make salient recreational rule changes is painful indeed!

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Here you go once again, and you can question whether MRIP will ever get it right.

I continue to ask those fishermen who fish in the GOMaine, "how many private boats did you see out there when you were fishing?'

The answer always seem to come back the same.... ZERO - PRIVATE VESSELS seen when groundfishing on some of the most noted inshore "hot spots" in the GOMaine...

Typical and disturbing once again as you can see below in the official docx.....

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Re: NOV 10, 2017 - SHORE CAUGHT HADDOCK in the GOMaine? IS THIS ANOTHER ONE FOR THE 'MRIP FOLLIES' FILES?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:58 pm
by EC NEWELLMAN
By the way, this is what Captain Tim T. was alluding to:

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It is a FULL DAY meeting as you can see, and though you see Mid-Atlantic, I have not heard of anyone from this region driving up to Portsmouth, New Hampshire this Monday....